Well you're comparing an LMG to an assault rifle. They are built to be carried by different people for different reasons. Anyway, I understand the point you're making, I'm just not a fan of heavy infantry rifles.

A 9 pound m16 does not seem like a big advantage over a 10-11 pound .308 rifle. And if your ammo drops people in one shot and punches through barriers that stop 556, then you dont need as much ammo.

Who says I'd pick an M16 though? If anything I'd pick an M4A1, which is 6-7lbs. But even with that, maybe I'd want something like a FN F2000 (which is very light) or maybe some other rifle.

The FN F2000? Id never carry it (or just about any bullpup} Id never use an m4 either (if i was shooting poodle bullets id want a longer barrel to get some velocity)

The f2000 is about 9 pounds loaded. The civilian version has completely plastic guts, im guessing the military has much better because the fn fs2000 is pretty damn overpriced for being so cheaply made. They shoot about 3 moa, which is combat accurate but much below Ar, m14, sig 550, etc, rifles, and the trigger, typical of bullpups, sucks.

Much like this has already been argued, an M4's 14.5" barrel is plenty long enough to send a round out with accuracy and velocity for typical combat ranges. While a 20" barrel of say an FN FAL would shoot farther, it isn't so different that you could really tell. Also, a 5.56x45mm round has a velocity of ~3100fps, which is pushing Mach 1, so I don't know why you think it doesn't have good velocity, and that's just the standard grain bullet. 7.62 NATO is ~2,400-2,700 depending on loads.

Im talking about decreased velocity in a shorter barrel, plenty reports of the FMJ crap not fragmenting properly due to reduced velocity. And as to bullpup rifles, hate em all. Poor relaods and bad triggers.

I agree with you on bullpups for the reasons you mentioned.

Some of the Bullpups I've seen and fired are good, but when I held the F2000, or rather a civie verison, it felt a bit uncomfortable. I have shorter arms than the ones this rifle was designed for. When I held a P90, it felt too short for my arms to hold onto. I felt like I was going to drop it. I've held an L85A1 and it felt just heavy to me. Now an AUG feels pretty nice in your arms even if it appears weird

The Steyr AUG A1 is a cool looking gun and one of the few bullpups I really like. But the A3 they have in Rainbow Six: Vegas and Vegas 2 is just ugly.

I remember watching Die Hard for the first time and thinking "What the hell is that thing?' :o

The aug is supposed to be one of the best bullpups. In close quarters, a 42 round mag would be cool. For any type of range, id get a regular rifle.
The civvie legal fn fs2000 is plastic, even inside. Heres the bolt assembly.

Wow, that looks like the inards of an airsoft gun.

yesh, i'd would rely on that if it's plastic on the inside.

And I've seen inards of airsoft guns that look more solid than that

Whos FN trying to fool with a price over 2000?

BTW, if you want a bullpup, the MSAR STG 556 is highly rated

Tavor ftw. Jews make good guns.

I've heard the IMI Tavor kind of sucks. Looks kind of ugly too.

The tavor also isnt availible to us civilians. BTW, the FAMAS fails epicly, one of the worst bullpups, next to the L85 and russian fail gun : http://world.guns.ru/assault/as94-e.htm

Hey, I think I saw that gun in Planet of the Apes

I always said that was what happened when you let Ikea try to make a gun. I bet it's held together with allen key bolts designed to exactly not fit any allen key ever created by man.

It just hit me, we are hugely off topic again. Post some funny pictures goddammit! :D

This one's a little iffy but I figured it'd be appreciated here:

http://i28.tinypic.com/jaun0h.jpg

And of course, this is great:

http://i29.tinypic.com/2vtyttv.jpg

I don't think this one requires an introduction or caption.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...8-hk_ar-15.jpg

As mind numbingly awesome as that is, Kalashnikitty would be disgusted knowing her image and associated cuteness was plastered on the likes of an AR-15.

A G36 carrying handle on an AR-15 rifle? You know, it does seem kinda cool

Is that a Bushmaster? It looks like there's a coiled snake on the lower reciever.

Its a M4 SIRS with a G36 Carrying handel according to the author of the skin

http://www.fpsbanana.com/skins/64650

http://i43.tinypic.com/aev9r6.jpg

It really do look kinda cool

Whipped this up in paint outta bordom lol

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/3627/20859.jpg

thats kickass, howd you do it on paint? all my paint creations are sloppy, yours is nice. Funny as hell too, I hate HK.

Lol, the actual gun is a skin for CS:S, so i took it's render, then i slapped in a background and added the text. Quite simple lol

Here's another 1 =D

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/9250/74194136.jpg

Gawd the money I could make on the used parts market for that pistol....:D

If you took the grenade launcher off, it might actually make a good hunting pistol. Sadly. With a bipod and scope, I can image you could get good groups off a bench with that.

But that's just my range ethic kicking in. :D

Easier tote than a rifle.

Deagles are ugly as hell with an extended barrrel....

Slap a big muzzle break on the barrel, and I'd shoot it.

When a Desert Eagle just isn't enough .50 cal for you...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...uff/327225.jpg

Yes, that is a pistol chambered for .50 BMG. Now we just need someone to make one in 20mm Hispano.

A bolt action single shot .50 caliber pistol....

To shoot that thing without killing yourself your probably gonna need to screw it down onto a table or something