The israeli government is jewish because the people electing the officials are jews. There is tolerance there though. Jews, muslims and christians all live in israel with equal rights.

I was saing that of course the israeli government comes off as jewish because most of their citizens are jews, our gov comes off as christian since thats what most of the voters/elected people are. Governments and policies in a democrac reflect the demographic of the voters.

Living in a walled off compound, blocked off from free trade, with soldiers free to break into your home and demolish it at will is not freedom or equal rights. Israel is not a secular state with a majority Jewish population, like the USA is a secular state with a majority Christian population. It is a Jewish state, run by Jews, for Jews, using Jewish law. They changed the name from the ethnically neutral "Palestine" to the Hebrew language "Israel", stuck the Star of David on their flag, they even have special Orthodox-only neighborhoods that are supported financially by the state. If Jews wanted to live in Palestine because of their religious birthright beliefs, they could have just worked, with international cooperation, to create a multicultural, secular regime. But no, they didn't do that, that was never the goal. Zionism is the belief that Israel is for Jews only. They invaded Palestine, created a government antithetical to a majority of the native population (most first generation Israelis were immigrants from Europe), and then went to war when other legitimate nations tried to expel them for being a foreign-born military coup.

Also, let's not forget who Israel was BFF's with way back in the day, South Africa. When the entire civilized, Western world decided that South Africa needed to be brought in line, Israel didn't just abstain and continue to do business with them, they adopted South Africa's apartheid tactics for social control.

Went to war with other legitimate nations? Like the dictatorships of Iran, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, i think the even fought the saudis a couple times. All dictatorships, and their own citizens are even rebelling in those countries now.

Now is not 1948. Dictatorships they may be, but they were native born dictatorships. Israel was born a nation of foreign invaders.

1948, 1967, 1973, full out warfare. Thent here are the countless wars against the PLO and lebanon. What are the peace loving legitimate democracies you refer to?

I never said they were peace loving or democracies. The problem is that Israel insists on its own righteousness when they are just as awful as any other nation in the region, and that we continue to support them in everything they do.

Funny, i dont see women whipped for showing ankles or gay people being executed in israel.

we continue to support them because they are surrounded by nations that hate them, we are the peacekeepers.
i see you have a history of posting just to start controversy. why do you waste your time this way?

They're surrounded by nations that hate them because they put themselves there. It's not like Israel has always existed and the other Islamic nations sprung up around it. We support them because the West needs a foothold in the region. That is not a controversial statement at all. Even Zionists acknowledge this is true.

Because he is a troll. And I'm not talking about this kind of troll:

http://images.wikia.com/lotr/images/8/88/Ctrol.jpg

I'm talking about this kind of troll:

http://paradoxdgn.com/junk/avatars/trollface.jpg

They steal land they had previously agreed to let the Palestinians have, they bulldoze Palestinian neighborhoods and farms to build tract housing, they respond to individual terrorist attacks with indiscriminate missile strikes against the Palestinian civilian population. They restrict access to food and medicine and building supplies. There's more than one way to be an evil despotic nation.

Just because you don't like what I have to say does not mean I am a troll.

The fact you start controversy in every thread makes you a troll.

That's an exaggeration, and if you don't want to debate me on anything then why do you? You can't engage in a debate with somebody and then just say "bah away with ye trolle" in the middle of it.

You're a witch!!! A WITCH!! Let's ask MPM2008 if we can burn him.

I didn't vote for him. It doesn't matter anyway because I don't float.

you're a troll and you have a trace of an anti-semite

Burt may like stirring the pot, but he's not being anti-Semitic. Why should Israel, of all countries, have such a privileged position in the American political discourse as to be absolved of any criticism? This may be controversial here, but the United States' unquestioning support of Israel is usually one of the more commonly cited reasons (another being their support of despotic Arab regimes) that Islamic extremists use to justify their actions.

If he is a troll, he's clearly done his job well. Stop giving a shit if he says something you don't agree with, move on. We've now devoted a whole page to bitching about him being a troll and completely deviated from the topic we were discussing.

He doesn't really bother me tbh (aside from when he argues with MPM), if I don't agree with him, oh well. It's the internet, where god forbid if someone is WRONG, you must teach them what is right. Shrug it off, he is who he is. :cool:

Back on topic folks. I found it funny Osama was discovered in Abbatabad. Talk abbatabad place to hide.

When did this happen?

I think it was when you were editing his photos on here for some type of fun weapons modification thread, and he said it's against copyright policy on his photos to shop them without his permission and it turned into this big stink it shouldn't have.

That wasn't me.

what about the rio de janero thread? you argued with mpm in there.
heck, you were the reason they locked it.

He didn't even post in that thread.

This started an Osama bin Laden is dead, good!

If you bring up Israel, well many presidents and others have tried and failed to find a solution there....if there is one.

You can write books on end on the subject, it sure will not get solved here.
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How about those Osama "home movies" released today to the press showing him sitting there watching himself on TV.

Sitting there plotting more death and destruction against his enemy, the USA, all the while basically under "house arrest".:p

And I'd bet a TON that more than one Pakistani knew about and maybe supported him in his cell...errrr house.

May he rot in hell, or at the bottom of the sea.

I've been on the road all day, but I did see that the US has concluded that the Pakistanis indeed did not know that OBL was in Abottabad. That HAS to be the answer, doesn't it? Even if they did know and were looking the other way, you wouldn't say so, would you?

The pictures of him watching TV are begging to be photoshopped.

Because, my friend, the Jewish people have been stepped on since the dawn of time.
The Egyptians and the Babylonians enslaved them, Spain and most of Medieval Europe persecuted and attacked them. Germany killed six million of them.
I say let 'em have their bloody country.

Oh boo hoo history you can't be serious. Don't forget that they slaughtered the Canaanites to get the land in the first place, they're not originally from there. I suppose all white people should just ship themselves off to Europe and give the Americas and Australia back to their respective natives.

NBC's SNL opened the show tonight with a parody of OBL reading his will on video tape in the event of his death....funny stuff.

OK, first of all, I resent this. Zulu got temp-banned because he has temper issues and has been repeatedly asked not to respond to Burt, and this last time, he responded when Burt was just joking. I wish you had not responded to Burt, either, but at least I haven't asked you repeatedly. And while I am kinda offended by what you wrote, I am not going to temp ban you over it.

Second, I do at least agree with you that Burt is trolling now. So I have banned him. Right now, it's temporary, but I'm going to consult with the other mods to decide if it should be permanent. If it's what they all want, I will be fine with it.

Not trying to get involved here, but I'm pretty sure that was Person of Interest.

I don't remember who was editing the pics, but it wasn't Burt. The only thing Burt did was try to tell MPM to stop caring so much.

how long does burt's long awaited ban last?

Burt wasnt banned.

What does it say under his name?

Oh sweet when did that happen?

Read the very last post on Page 15 of this topic.

how long does it last?

he said mods are discussing it.

Hey, I helped! I should post more often.