I find it reprehensible to demean the history of any people for such a petty reason like complaining about one's job. And MT2008, how would you have reacted if someone made such a reference to Stalin's atrocities? Would you be angry?

Don't you think "demeaning" is too strong a word?

Honestly, no. The people I get angry at are the leftist anti-Americans and Che Guevara-T-shirt-wearing morons who seem to be incapable of recognizing atrocities that weren't committed by Nazis, or Americans, or white Westerners in general.

As long as someone isn't an apologist for communist mass-murder, I am not particularly offended. After all, a metaphor comparing one's boss to Stalin, or one's job to the Gulag, is still a metaphor which implicitly recognizes that Stalin was a monster and that the Gulags were horrible. And, likewise, so does MPM's metaphor about Auschwitz.

BTW, what do you think of the phrase "Young Turks"?

This is getting stupid. Also, I love Rod Stewart!

I like I saw a che geuvara shirt with "I have no idea who this is" written under his head.
That sums it up. Che was a joke, I wonder why people think of him so highly.

I want a Che shirt with "Che- the icon of fucktarded rebelious teenagers everywhere" written underneath it

I'd wear that t-shirt.

I'd buy 14 and wear one every day

I'd buy 31---one for every day of the month.

I like Che. I don't like it when people slander his good name by saying he's communist. He's a Marxist idealogist, and revolutinary (and if MT2008 has anything to counter this, go ahead. I respect him, but it's like we're complete opposites). Anyway, I hope our relationship with Cuba improves now that we have a Democrat in office and Fidel's brother is Cuba's leader.

I thought I'd point out that Protest Warrior used to (maybe still do) sell shirts that have Che's picture and say, "War is never the answer...Unless you're a socialist guerilla!"

Sorry, but...you just lost major respect from me. You are exactly the kind of liberal I can't stand...the ones who are apologists for thugs like Che.

Che was very much a communist. Though admittedly, he was also a racist and a homophobe, which goes against Marxist ideology. Anyway, this book is pretty much the rebuttal to yourself and anyone else like you:

http://www.amazon.com/Exposing-Real-...dp/1595230270/

If only I had a time machine and enough old timey money to buy both a rifle with a scope and a plane ticket to wherever Che hung out...

Then how the hell do I get that respect back? I have a lot of respect for you and don't want to picture you as "the guy who pisses me off the most when this forum debates politics". If it would make you happy I'll renounce all of my views and go athiest.

You're a Roman Catholic who supports an atheist-communist. Isn't that sort of a weird contradiction by itself?

As for getting my respect back, not exactly sure you need it. Like MPM, I'm in a field where I often have to work with people whose political views I don't respect, and in some cases detest. But anyway, maybe the lesson from this topic is that we should just not have polarizing political debates at all. :D

So we can still be friends, right? And by the way, I ignore the negativity that surrounds Che. I have respect for his philosophy. I was kinda depressed when you said you lost respect for me.

I can't help but wonder which liberals you all are talking about.
The kinds of people I find most detestable are the ones who care less about their beliefs, than about appearing to care about their beliefs.

Case in point, people who are ostensibly religious, or ostensibly political.

That's why I make a point of not pretending to care about things I don't care about!

ROD STEWART!!!!! (I do not care for him.)

OK, fine, yes we can still be friends. Maybe we just shouldn't talk about politics (or at least, not personal political views). :D

But I still despise Che, and I happen to think that Marxism in all of its incarnations is one of the most evil philosophies of all time (maybe even the most evil).

I do not care for Rod Stewart either. Joakim Broden of Sabaton (that fellow up front with the M4 in the picture ) would kill him with an axe

http://sabaton.net/pics/2008_Sabaton1.jpg

What about Facism?

Of course fascism is evil. But Marxism has a way bigger body count. The Soviet Union alone killed more people than all of the fascist regimes combined. So in terms of body count, I would say that socialism is the most evil ideology ever.

Facism the government controls people, socialist/communist regimes control people and convince them it the right thing, bringing many to their side.

Actually, they're both like that. The difference is that fascists appeal to a particular ethnic/religious group that feels like it's under siege from foreigners and minorities, and it encourages them to be ultra-nationalist and bellicose. Socialists appeal to the poorest of the poor (usually in countries that have lots of poor) and promise them that if they overthrow the economic/political elites, they'll be able to share in the wealth that was denied to them.

They're both collectivist, anti-individualist ideologies that always bring misery and death, not only to their "enemies", but also to the people that they're supposed to benefit.

You need to catch a clue. MT2008 'thought' that armorers who are mostly conservative would have some "tolerance" for the libtard views. Why? Why should we? In fact, the METAPHOR, which seems to be something I think you need to learn what that is, is the 'forced tolerance' of smiling and biting your lip when faced with someone whose entire thought process is offensive to you.

The most extreme case of having the discipline NOT to strangle the bastard in front of you was the metaphor I described. If you think that using that example of 'keeping your righteous rage bottled in because it is necessary" as somehow marginalizing the Holocaust, then your brain works completely differently than Mine does. People who immediately freak out at things which are not insults are no better than the people who find offense in EVERYTHING.

That's what the libtards do in my experience. I tend NOT to use such metaphors in the presence of 14 yr old girls because they tend to knee jerk react with emotions, prior to actually analyzing what was said. It's stupid to have to anticipate people intentionally misconstruing a comment but it's reality. Let me know if I have to use the same filter here.

Dude, I've let it go. Forget about it.

OK, I guess this topic is getting out of control (and I'm not trying to be holier-than-thou; I know I've contributed to it). I think it's best if maybe I just closed it for now.

In the future, no more topics that are polarizing, please.