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Spartan198 01-23-2010 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Yooka (Post 11077)
Well, I agree alot of his firearms stuff doesn't fly with real authorities, I'm sure he tried. Without practical experience, and lots of access to experts, this stuff is very hard for a layperson to get a firm grasp on. Trust me.

I don't have as much practical experience as you might be thinking (I fired a .22 LR rifle once or twice when I was 5 and two rounds from a friend's Kimber TLE a few months ago, and that's pretty much it), and I can still do a better job at weapon selection that the ZSG author.

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Gotta give him points for not endorsing the Desert Eagle, right?
That's pretty much all I can give him points for.
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Waita sec, you'd be hard pressed to find m1 carbine ammo? I could have sworn I read in the US military, it was widely available. Doesn't that mean it at least sells a little?
Nothing in the current US military arsenal uses .30 carbine.

k9870 01-23-2010 05:37 AM

The only zombies that make sense are the ones in 28 days later or something that are a crazy person. Seriously, muscle function (movement) without anything but brain working? And if digestive systems gone, whyd they want to eat people? I say, zombies can be taken down with a torso shot. Get whatever gun youd use against your regular old home invader/other unneeded bipedal.

S&Wshooter 01-23-2010 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by k9870 (Post 11097)
The only zombies that make sense are the ones in 28 days later or something that are a crazy person. Seriously, muscle function (movement) without anything but brain working? And if digestive systems gone, whyd they want to eat people? I say, zombies can be taken down with a torso shot. Get whatever gun youd use against your regular old home invader/other unneeded bipedal.

But I suck with pistols :(

Markost 01-23-2010 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by S&Wshooter (Post 11098)
But I suck with pistols :(

This stock helps a lot:

http://www.spareammo.com/posters/glo...ck_400x275.jpg

Excalibur 01-23-2010 05:11 PM

You might be able to add a vertical foregrip as well.

k9870 01-23-2010 06:04 PM

Or if your going with that weight and bulk migth as well get a SMG. Pistols are a last ditch close range gun anyway.

S&Wshooter 01-23-2010 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Markost (Post 11102)

I don't have a Block

k9870 01-23-2010 07:05 PM

Ill never own a hunk of platic with a poor trigger and crappy grip angle.

S&Wshooter 01-23-2010 10:31 PM

As I have said before, polymer framed guns just aren't my cup of RC :D. The S&W M&P and the FNP series are the exception to the rule though

k9870 01-24-2010 12:29 AM

Handled the M&P and it actually is very confortable in hand. Havent fired one though. im willing to give it a chance though, glocks just dont point naturally or have any real appeal for me.

S&Wshooter 01-24-2010 12:43 AM

Haven't held an M&P yet, but I have heard nothing but good about it. I have held an FNP45 and I fell in love with it instantly. It should be marketed as the polymer pistol for manly men

k9870 01-24-2010 12:49 AM

Iheard the M&P can fire 9mm, .45, .357 SIG and .4 smith from the same rame and slide, just switching barrels and Mags. The versatility is just cool. I hate striker guns though, there triggers are usually heavy. Then again ive only fired xds and glocks, the smith may be diferent. The fnp is cool sicne its a 45 with 9mm capacity. I heard its ammo picky though, ammo with a longer OAL doesnt work as well.

S&Wshooter 01-24-2010 01:39 AM

I've heard M&P's don't have that good of triggers

k9870 01-24-2010 01:43 AM

Too bad.....im very picky about triggers.

S&Wshooter 01-24-2010 02:06 AM

The only time I really care is when the trigger is horrible ( USP, Sigma, Glock, Nagant revolver), but otherwise I'll tolerate it

Markost 01-24-2010 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by k9870 (Post 11106)
Or if your going with that weight and bulk migth as well get a SMG. Pistols are a last ditch close range gun anyway.

Here we donīt have civilian SMGs. The Glock with the stock is the closest to a smg that you can find (remember, semiautomatics are illegal).

k9870 01-24-2010 03:35 AM

In a zombie apocalypse, i dont think anyone would care if you aquired an smg.

Zulu Two Six 01-24-2010 03:41 AM

obama would, he'll hunt you down....
you can tell he's not my favorite....
DONT JUDGE ME! :D

S&Wshooter 01-24-2010 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Zulu Two Six (Post 11129)
obama would, he'll hunt you down....

After the zombie apocolypse, he'd leave an MP5 laying out in the open, and when someone picks it up, he'll jump out of a tree and shoot 'em with a crossbow :D

CrazyCrankle 01-24-2010 09:17 AM

First I'd find a Glock 22 (Not my first choice, but it's probably the most common police issue weapon in Canada), then find a LAVIII.

Use the LAV as a secure home/transport, find a C7/8, and maybe an MP5 from a police station or something. On my way to a remote area I'd collect food, water, and any weapons and ammunition. Also gasoline, diesel, batteries, and peanut M&M's.

EDIT: Though I suppose all that isn't the point of this thread. Well the original one anyways.
The best choices are what can be found most easily, most readily available ammunition and magazines. Unfortunately, that is becoming the Glock series. If the world was perfect though, I'd go with 2 SIG's. A 9mm P226, and a 9mm P229.

S&Wshooter 01-24-2010 03:33 PM

P226's are standard police issue down here, but everyone uses a Kimber or Glock

Yooka 01-24-2010 03:44 PM

What would you say the best widely available Kimbers are?

S&Wshooter 01-24-2010 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Yooka (Post 11135)
What would you say the best widely available Kimbers are?

I dunno. Probably because Kimber makes a friggin billion different pistols

k9870 01-24-2010 04:01 PM

Id avoid kimber.....there cstomer service maes HK look good. There older gns were great then QC took a nosedivve. The Glock 22 is the most overrated gun. So many people get them like "oh it holds lots of 40 bullets." Its also too light for the cartridge and has poor ergos so it sucks to shoot.

S&Wshooter 01-24-2010 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by k9870 (Post 11137)
Id avoid kimber.....there cstomer service maes HK look good. There older gns were great then QC took a nosedivve. The Glock 22 is the most overrated gun. So many people get them like "oh it holds lots of 40 bullets." Its also too light for the cartridge and has poor ergos so it sucks to shoot.

No one is worse than H&K. For example, my father's Kimber had an off spec slide, so he sent it in and they replaced the slide, polished the gun and then sent it back all within 2 weeks. If the slide on your H&K is mesed up and you send it in, they'll probably sent it back to you with a note sdaying "if you were an operator, you would have fixed it yourself" (because they hate you)

k9870 01-24-2010 04:42 PM

Kimber has a 1 year warranty and is nown to piss on customers. springfield armory has a lifetime warranty and is known to pay shipping both ways and throw in goodies like a free mag. Smith and wesson is known to be very good too. Ruger has no official warranty but has a solid rep of taking care o customers. My friends dad has an older kimber 2, external extractor MIM and all and it works great. I just wont give kimber my business.

Yooka 01-24-2010 05:22 PM

Interesting. So no Kimber's really stand out as great? Other than their 1911, but I already have that on the list.

I love how this went from effectiveness against hordes of shambling beef to QA and customer satisfaction. Hehe.

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Originally Posted by k9870 (Post 11097)
The only zombies that make sense are the ones in 28 days later or something that are a crazy person. Seriously, muscle function (movement) without anything but brain working? And if digestive systems gone, whyd they want to eat people? I say, zombies can be taken down with a torso shot. Get whatever gun youd use against your regular old home invader/other unneeded bipedal.

It's probably counter productive and thread-jacking to bring this up, but what the hell, my connection is crappy, and my roommate won't get out of the bathroom.

I personally love fast zombies. I think it was a great way to modernize the concept, and make it more intense, while simultaneously more realistic. The thing is, a large portion of zombie movie fanatics (I would say slightly over half, from my reading and discussions) feel that zombies who can run just aren't zombies. It just betrays what zombies have been about since Romero (and to an extent, Richard Matheson with I am Legend), that being the slow, inevitable pace of doom with overwhelming numbers. If you have a stockpiled bomb shelter, fast zombies aren't a huge problem unless they chase you down before you can get in it. Hell, you can even shoot them in the chest. Slow zombies, with supernatural durability, and a longer incubation/transformation period would spread the disease farther, and are more difficult to eradicate. Fast zombies would be a much bigger threat the first day or two, especially since they spread so fast. But they spread like a fire so hot, it eats up all it's fuel right away, and burns itself out.

Here's some work I did on this.

http://zombie.wikia.com/wiki/Differe...d_Slow_Zombies

S&Wshooter 01-24-2010 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Yooka (Post 11141)
Interesting. So no Kimber's really stand out as great? Other than their 1911, but I already have that on the list.

I love how this went from effectiveness against hordes of shambling beef to QA and customer satisfaction. Hehe.

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It's probably counter productive and thread-jacking to bring this up, but what the hell, my connection is crappy, and my roommate won't get out of the bathroom.

I personally love fast zombies. I think it was a great way to modernize the concept, and make it more intense, while simultaneously more realistic. The thing is, a large portion of zombie movie fanatics (I would say slightly over half, from my reading and discussions) feel that zombies who can run just aren't zombies. It just betrays what zombies have been about since Romero (and to an extent, Richard Matheson with I am Legend), that being the slow, inevitable pace of doom with overwhelming numbers. If you have a stockpiled bomb shelter, fast zombies aren't a huge problem unless they chase you down before you can get in it. Hell, you can even shoot them in the chest. Slow zombies, with supernatural durability, and a longer incubation/transformation period would spread the disease farther, and are more difficult to eradicate. Fast zombies would be a much bigger threat the first day or two, especially since they spread so fast. But they spread like a fire so hot, it eats up all it's fuel right away, and burns itself out.

But slow zombie make for better target practice :D

Krel 01-24-2010 09:25 PM

In "Night of the Living Dead", Romero did have fast moving living dead, Romero has said that his creations are not zombies. But they were very uncoordinated in their movements.

David.

ManiacallyChallenged 01-24-2010 09:37 PM

Keep in mind Romero's "zombies" climbed a ladder to get on the roof in the final scene.

This sort of thing is no longer considered possible by "traditional" zombies in all the current zombie literature.
Speaking of zombie literature, does anybody know of other prolific stuff other than the Zombie Survival Guide or WWZ?

S&Wshooter 01-24-2010 09:51 PM

Check out Brian Keene's "The Rising" if you're looking for a good zombie tastic novel

Markost 01-25-2010 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by k9870 (Post 11128)
In a zombie apocalypse, i dont think anyone would care if you aquired an smg.

That would be nice... but, as I said it before, semiauto smgs are illegal, so, nobody sells them (and you wonīt find them in any gunshop). The only way to get one is (in case of zombie apocalypse) stealing it from the police,

k9870 01-25-2010 12:47 AM

Id end up looting most of my weapons anyway, a m16a2 looted off the body of a national guard soldier has more firepower than my savage mk2.

S&Wshooter 01-25-2010 01:00 AM

Looting is a great way to get your ass capped, either by the object's owner, that guy's buddies or other looters

k9870 01-25-2010 01:05 AM

A zombie soldier/cop with one slng/holstered, an abandoned police station/patrol car/mil vehicle, are good bets.

S&Wshooter 01-25-2010 01:09 AM

It'd be a pretty good way of stocking up on ammo/magazines/spare parts if all the zombie cops/soldiers were all carrying the same guns

Markost 01-25-2010 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by S&Wshooter (Post 11164)
It'd be a pretty good way of stocking up on ammo/magazines/spare parts if all the zombie cops/soldiers were all carrying the same guns

Too many videogames my friend :D. If you want to loot, do it quickly, īcause the police stations and ammo depots will be the first to suffer it. See the haitian disaster, the supermarkets were the first to be looted.

ManiacallyChallenged 01-25-2010 08:25 PM

The point of talking about this now is being prepared!
So, you want to stock up on all the stuff you can get legally just in time!

That way, when the zombies turn out to be manifestations of dark magic or something, you can plink away with no effect as they shoot fireballs and summon skeletons or whatever. So much for theory!

I have no idea what zombies are going to do to me when they show up.

S&Wshooter 01-25-2010 09:25 PM

The whole reason you stock up on ammo is so that you won't have to worry about supplies because if you don't have enough you can just go take them from someone else

ManiacallyChallenged 01-26-2010 12:35 AM

Ahh!
Use a crossbow. I believe one is recommended by the ZSG 'cause it's quiet and ammo is somewhat reusable.


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