There was some talk about the Desert Eagle on the Fringe page.
In one episode an assassin uses a suppressed Desert Eagle. From an aesthetic standpoint this works, because he's a huge guy, tall and very heavy.

Same reason that small handed actors always get compact guns, like Agent Dunham in Fringe using a Glock 26, or Trinity in the Matrix using Beretta Cougars.

Here's a stupid accessory. Suppressors that either doesn't suppress the weapon or flash

Like Leon's compensated Berettas?

Oh that's a WHOLE different form of oximoron

Ive not been on here for a while but heres my point, why did'nt the armourers of movies like TS not chop up a few different guns and try to create something thats both futuristic and can knock the hell out of a 6ft-8ft cyborg? I mean why could'nt they chop 40-50 inches off a barrel of a M82 Barrett, fair enough its a killer to shoot in the real world but in a movie against a T600 it would be cool. Its just a thought, may be we may see something like this if theres a sequel to either TS or Predators?

I guess they wanted to use real world weapons in TS before they bring in the plasma rifles. Maybe in the next movie.

Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I just saw an episode of M*A*S*H full of Korean-war Chinese soldiers carrying Valmet M/76s (and wearing SKS ammo pouches, of course).

I saw that one, but I thought that they were Type 84s or something like that. That's the episode where HAwkeye and MArgret are stuck in the middle of nowhere together. BTW, there are some PPShs in the episode "Rainbow Bridge"

Well, the PPSh makes total sense, but not only are Valmet M/76s pretty distinctly Finnish, the Chinese never had AKs in Korea. Hell, I don't even think many Soviet units had any at that point - when they adopted it the AK was originally supposed to be squad leaders of troops armed with the SKS. It's only when the Soviet army went fully mech that it became general issue.

Neither the Type 56 nor the Type 84 was being imported to the U.S. at the time that MASH was on the air. The Valmets, on the other hand, started coming to this country in the late-70s, so they would've been available.

That's how the Chinese used AKs for most of the 1960s, too - they classified their AKs as the Type 56 submachine gun, which implies it was meant to be issued only to squad leaders. Their SKS copy was called the Type 56 carbine, and was the standard-issue to most PLA soldiers.

As for the Soviets, I believe it was after the Hungarian Uprising (in 1956) that they realized that the AK was better used as a standard-issue infantry rifle than as a submachine gun only (even though Mikhail Kalashnikov himself had always intended it to be an infantry rifle). This is also part of the reason that the AKM was developed.

At least China is not using AKs anymore. But I was watching a chinese military channel episode, promoting the QBZ 95s. Since it's propaganda, I wanted to see how the chinese promotes their stuff. There was a test where a soldier dunk it in water, like it's trying to over the beach test.

The problem was that all the guy did was dunk the rifle empty, no round in the chamber, and held it down for a few seconds, then took it out, and shook it a bit, obviously draining all the water and taking his sweet time. Then loading and cocking. Then taking his sweet time to aim and firing a shot. All that time gave the rifle more time to drain the water. If it was a true test, he would have chambered a round, mag in and fired immediately after taking the rifle out.

The idea that semi-automatic rifles would suffice for most soldiers and that only certain troops would use Kalashnikov rifles persisted in China until the 1979 Sino-Vietnamese War. The fact that the Kalashnikov-equipped Vietnamese outgunned the PLA in many engagements forced the Chinese to revise their doctrines and remove their Type 56 carbines from frontline service; it also initiated the development of the Type 81 rifle as a replacement.

Ehm... the Argentinian Army tested those rifles a couple of years ago. According to the Army, it "didn´t meet the basic requirements", and according to the soldiers that tested them, "it was a piece of junk".

Seeing combat weapons get dunked in the water is a "test" that's become so cliche that I'm starting to doubt it means anything about the gun's reliability.

Interesting, though it certainly explains why PLA troops carrying SKS seem so common in pictures from that conflict (what few I've seen). The Vietnamese Army was modeled on that of the Soviet Union (they had more Soviet advisers than Chinese advisers, even before the Sino-Vietnamese split), so that's probably why they adopted the doctrine of assault rifles as standard-issue before the Chinese ever did.

Many movies have stupid gun choices, like, a SIG/Glock/Beretta is a good sidearm, but it shouldnt be used for countersniping or fighting say, a heavily armored SWAT team.

I hate it when they give Berettas to people who have no business using them, like guys from Delta, old police officers, badasses, NYPD officers, SF soldiers, Navy SEALS, Marine Force Recon, etc

I hate how overused they are in movies. Also, i ahte them in real life (they dont fit my hand, the tang is actually putting a pressure point on my thumb.)

Well I have kinda big hands, so 92Fs do fit ok in my hand, but it is still kinda beefy to me. I prefer something with more slim down grip. The XDs have really good grips

I have found that the S&W 4506 fits my hand perfectly. In fact, I'm more accurate with it than I am with an M1911

You know what? I'm sort of pissed that the 4506 isn't in movies very often. And when it is, it's just about always used by a random thug (except for in Street Kings and Training Day)

you know what they say about guys with big hands right?

.....big guns fit perfectly in them!

Also, we can crush other people's hands if we aren't careful when we give handshakes

Don't forget The Shield.

Since it's discontinued you won't see much of it. The only time you'll see the 4506 is in an LAPD film, you also get to see your favorite gun the Beretta.

That makes me want to do this: RAAAAGE!

That definitely isn't the reason. Look how many movies still use the Beretta 92F, and 2nd Gen Glocks, and German-made SIG 226s/228s. How often do you see those guns used in the real world anymore? Armorers often don't have the most up-to-date weapons in their armories, for reasons that MPM explained.

I think that if nothing else, the 4506 is likely to be rare because armorers tend to use 9mm pistols so often. As Steve has explained elsewhere, the Beretta's popularity is because (1.) it's a 9mm, and (2.) it's one of the most reliable pistols with blank rounds.

And 3). It looks nice

Looked nice, 20 years ago. Now it looks outdated. It still gets used mostly for the two reasons I mentioned.

It's still a nice looking gun. I probably would buy one if it weren't for the whole "too fragile for the Navy SEALs" and "everyone I know who owns/had to carry one hates it"

I walked into that.

What I meant since it's discontinued. No real Police departments, would now adopt it. Even though films rarely get such and such department sidearms right anyway.

Also the Beretta 92FS is still in production, so is the SIG P226 and Glock 17. Prop houses can still buy them to replace their worn out or broken ones.

Whether or not the Beretta looks nice is up to individuals, but it's still very iconic and most peopel can recognize one if it's on screen.

You do know someone who owns a Beretta and likes it, me, and Matt sort of counts as he had a PT92 and liked it too. They aren't perfect but they are good pistols and fun shooters. They aren't perfect but there isn't anything majorly worng with them, the opinions of any headstrong bashers (military included) be damned. Military types have American made Berettas with American made non-factory magazines that have been used over and over again, in other words, the worst of the worst Berettas, and for every one guy you can find that hates one, I can find a dozen that love, or are at least content with theirs.

...what YNH said. I had a Taurus PT92 that was 20 years old and functioned flawlessly, even with reloaded ammo. I'm curious to know how many people you've talked to that hate Berettas. That's not to say I don't know people who hate the M9, but they tend to be folks who think the military should have never abandoned .45 ACP, so they're discriminating against the Beretta for its caliber, not its design.

Also, I don't know what you're on about with Berettas being "fragile". They're not as durable as Glocks, but they're about as rugged as any all-metal handgun should be. The SEALs ditched the Beretta because its slide retention device was not strong enough to handle higher-pressure ammo than recommended. I don't have a problem with them using SIGs, but I also don't think the Beretta sucks just because it didn't meet a requirement specific to them. After all, what they need isn't necessarily what everyone else needs. (and besides, the 92FS, which replaced the original 92F that the SEALs rejected, has a fixed slide retention device.)

If the Beretta really sucks so much, I doubt it would have passed the XM9 trial (and I should point that one of its competitors was S&W's modified 459).

About 15-16, which is exactly the number of sevicemen I've talked to about it

The only reason they didn't pick it that I can see is that it doesn't do well in water

We should have went with the SIG though

I find that unusual, considering how few servicemen actually carry sidearms anymore. I know plenty of soldiers (and former soldiers), and all of them got through their deployments without ever carrying the M9. Their only M9 experience was from training and qualification.

I've read countless complaints about the Beretta on the Internet from people who have served (or claim to have served), but 99% of them seem to be about caliber, nothing else. Every once in a while I encounter someone who brings up the slide fracturing problem, but I tend to think they're just echoing what they've read elsewhere - because they don't seem to be aware that this problem (to the extent that it was ever serious) was fixed 20 years ago.

The SIG had issues of its own at the time (breaking trigger bar springs that sometimes damaged the frame, barrel bending, extractor problems, etc.). I love SIGs, but given that the design was still being perfected at the time of the XM9 trials, I think the Beretta made more sense. In fact, if the P226 had become the M9, I'm guessing that it would have just as bad a rep as the 92F by now.

I own two, a former police issue 92F and 92FS Inox. Beretta's like any other gun have their haters and lovers. Glocks might have the best records as being tough as nails. But they are the ugliest f*cking gun alive to me. I'll never own one. Also I'm not against "tupperware" guns. I have been looking at XDs pretty hard. But there's a SIG P220 on GB that's caught my eye.

Glocks, SIGS and XD's are all good guns, but S&W's have always been my favorite

Hence your user name. I am thinking about geting a S&W M&P in .45

Never liked the plastic guns but the M&P grip is actually very comfy, and interests me. Its not like the ergonomic nightmare called the glock

Or they could just slap on some .50 cal beowulf uppers on all their AR-15 based weapons, thats made to pierce intermediate armor and bulletproof glass.