They are not getting XD45s, one of my friends is a marine and uses an m9a1. Three are army, and carry a standard m9. And yes, they are all deployed. Pistols may be expensive, but so are b-2 stealth bombers, and we still buy them.

Well one of my friends just got back and he's a Marine. He claims the Marines ARE getting the XD 45s soon. So both our Marine buddies can't be right.

Beretta just got a contract for over 400,000 new berettas, springfield has no contract. I have no idea why thed pick the XD, but I hear stories all the time that go nowhere. An airforce guy I know kept saying they were getting HK45s, never happened. It does stand though, soldiers are issued pistols, if they opt not to carry it, their choice.

They are trying to sell XD-45s do to their new safeties but I doubt they will get the contract.

^^the air force is phasing out the M16A2, except for BMT trainees.

My friends dad used to use m16a3s and m1911a1s, and then the seabees he was rangmaster for went to cross train with the air force, who were using m16a1s and .38 special revolvers. They didn't seem to care there guns were a bit out of date, since they use planes anyway.....

^hey man, the air force isnt all pilots!

When I was in Austin, I meant a guy whose job in the AF was to watch over tactical nukes. He was pretty young, too. Kind of a sobering experience, frankly... :eek:

i know a guy who is a 2nd Lt. in the Air Force and is in charge of a Flight whos job is the prep and (hopefully never) launching of nukes. So hes the guy who pushes the big red button. I remember his mom saying: "you may have the power to destroy cities, but you still have to listen to your mother!"

Yeah, they should get the Glock series in .45 GAP.
I would like that.

45 GAP is such a pointless cartridge that nobody asked for. And I do not want the miltary using glocks. If anything, we should issue some good 1911s. Maybe Dan Wessons.

Some cops in my area carry Glock 37s in .45 GAP. It is kind of a dumb cartridge, all it is is a shorter ACP round, just so Glock can brag about another caliber on the list.

My citys cops carry USP45s, the stste guys G22s, and portland, bnig city next to me where i lived, 4506s with 230gr hydrashoks

Small arms don't win wars. Heavy weapons and better train personnel that use them do. I never said military personnel are not issue M9. I said the majority of them don't and that is a fact.

Another fact is that the majority of military personnel are not front line troops. In fact only a small portion are. IIRC there was a report that stated that for every front line troops there are 10 military personnel that supported him.

The 400,000 M9 contract are not deliver at once. While I have not seen the contract, if it like contacts of the past it will be completed within 10 to 20 years. Do not expect that there will be 400,000 M9 in the military when the finial lot is shipped. It will be far less because by that time due to wear, damage, lost, or destroy, either in training or in combat.

Well when you add in rear troops, yeah i can see how most wouldnt have them, i was thinking troops in war zones, where they do have handguns. As for small arms not winning wars, they sure do help, for the price of a single stealth bomber we could replace all m16s/m4s with newer, modern weapons like the SCAR

Some of my Marines buddies were training in the M16A4s before they got discharged and they didn't really like it all that much. Most of them prefer the A2.

The a2 is well liked, I know a couple people who took it over the m4, saing the A2 worked better with FMJs due to increased velocity, they could get more effective range, and accuracy, the longer sight radius was easier to use. My friend carries an A2 with ACOG on the carry handle, saying if his ACOG breaks he can still keep shooting with some decent accuracy, unlike the Flat top assemblies many people seem to have

It's not that simple. Money isn't the problem, time is. It take a very long time to equip the entire military with new small arms. It takes a very long time to retrain every military personnel to use the new platform. From field repairs to clearing malfunctions. It takes a very long time to get enough spare parts for the Armory.

The SCAR isn't a new weapon system. It's an AR18/G36/XM8/ACR/SA80/etc. A new body for an old design. It also made out of plastic. Go ask the Germans how their G36 hold up in Afghanistan.

Excalibur what don't they like about the A4? It preformed extremely well in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The problem with putting optic on top of the carrying handle is height. It's a 3 inch difference between the bore and scope. It is not an ideal way to mount optics.

I wish the miltary had teh "it takes time and training and money so lets not do it " attitude back when we had m14s so we wouldnt be stuck with the m1 today.

I agree that the .45 GAP is kind of pointless, but it's still lighter and smaller than the .45 ACP, which is kind of the point of the 9mm in the first place.

I believe one of my pals said it just doesn't "feel right" in his hands. I guess it's the fact he was trained with the A2 before the A4 came about and didn't like the feel and prefer the A2 over the M4 as well