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Originally Posted by Mandolin1 (Post 29594)

Isn't that kinda the definition of a PMC?

No. The C in PMC is Contractor, which they're not if they're military.

The clips look like they were fighting in Manhattan. Why not just seal it off and let whoever is there wither on the vine?

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Originally Posted by funkychinaman (Post 29605)

No. The C in PMC is Contractor, which they're not if they're military.

The clips look like they were fighting in Manhattan. Why not just seal it off and let whoever is there wither on the vine?

Hit it with a nuke *evil grin*

"Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure"
Couldn't resist.

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Originally Posted by Mandolin1 (Post 29618)

"Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure"
Couldn't resist.

What is that from?

Oh, it's from Aliens

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Originally Posted by Mandolin1 (Post 29594)

To me, fighting in New York is the epitome of stupid. To do so is to surrender any artilery, air support, and armor advantage. Artillery and aircraft are useless with the tall buildings and helecopters are vulnerable to anti-tank-rockets and machine guns, since the buildings get in the way and limit manuvability. APCs will be better than tanks, since the autocannon of an APC has a higher elevation than a tank's main gun, and any advantage the tank has in the armor department is negated (again) by anti-tank teams six stories up shooting at the thin top armor.

Well, a tank with an RWS mounting a Mark 19 would be as useful as an IFV (a Brad's chaingun is still limited to 60 degrees elevation while I believe an M151 Protector can shoot straight up if you feel so inclined) and you shouldn't underestimate the usefulness of a tank in urban warfare; while they need infantry support, they don't have the issues missile-based platforms do with things like power lines. Also, recall they have whatever anti-missile system was on Honey Badger that made it think it was a Bradley.

Also, at least it's not the Nazis in Turning Point: Fall of Liberty dropping paratroops on downtown Manhattan while bombing and shelling it with battleships at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Evil Tim (Post 29664)

Also, recall they have whatever anti-missile system was on Honey Badger that made it think it was a Bradley.

Honey Badger was a Stryker (More specifically an M1126).

Pretty sure when this comes out, I'm going to just rent it and see if it is worth having

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Originally Posted by The Wierd It (Post 29665)

Honey Badger was a Stryker (More specifically an M1126).

Yeah, I know. That's kind of the point, they just stuck something like Trophy or Arena on it and deployed it like it was an IFV.

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Also, at least it's not the Nazis in Turning Point: Fall of Liberty dropping paratroops on downtown Manhattan while bombing and shelling it with battleships at the same time.

Ow, don't remind me. That game was SOOOOOO dumb. Have you seen the Let's Play of it on Youtube? Hilarious.

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Originally Posted by Mandolin1 (Post 29594)

Isn't that kinda the definition of a PMC?

To me, fighting in New York is the epitome of stupid. To do so is to surrender any artilery, air support, and armor advantage. Artillery and aircraft are useless with the tall buildings and helecopters are vulnerable to anti-tank-rockets and machine guns, since the buildings get in the way and limit manuvability. APCs will be better than tanks, since the autocannon of an APC has a higher elevation than a tank's main gun, and any advantage the tank has in the armor department is negated (again) by anti-tank teams six stories up shooting at the thin top armor.

Then throw in, say, 12,000 cops (1/3 the NYPD), thousands of soldiers, and the ability for defenders to move undetected though the miles of subway tunnels, ellectric and phone corridors by whatever utilites works stay behind and the result will be worse than Stalingrad, all for a city of no real value. Yes, it has a port. By the time you can use it, all the streets will be rubble-filled and covered by snipers.

One last thing: How did the Russians whip up another invation force? The first one was EMP'd back to the Stone Age, left to deal with a whole bunch of angry Americans.

So is fighting in the center of London or Paris...but Call of Duty is all about the theatrics of a war, not about the practicality of a military strategy. As for the Russians, they developed a new military tool in the form of the "constant respawn", something the Americans apparently have trouble with in the COD-verse :)

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Originally Posted by Evil Tim (Post 29668)

Yeah, I know. That's kind of the point, they just stuck something like Trophy or Arena on it and deployed it like it was an IFV.

I thought the 1126 was an IFV?

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Originally Posted by Markit (Post 29686)

As for the Russians, they developed a new military tool in the form of the "constant respawn", something the Americans apparently have trouble with in the COD-verse :)

We shall drown them in our bottomless wells of manpower! Unless the other team captures our flag four times.

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Originally Posted by Mandolin1 (Post 29683)

Ow, don't remind me. That game was SOOOOOO dumb. Have you seen the Let's Play of it on Youtube? Hilarious.

I was just watching that video and the reviewer referred to himself as "Evil Tim". Don't we have an Evil Tim on here? Are they the same guy or are they just 2 completely unrelated guys named Tim who happen to be Evil?

Yes, it's the same Evil Tim. He helped do the IMFDB page for the game.

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Originally Posted by Mandolin1 (Post 29700)

Yes, it's the same Evil Tim. He helped do the IMFDB page for the game.

I guessed so already, but I felt the need to confirm

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Originally Posted by Mandolin1 (Post 29683)

Ow, don't remind me. That game was SOOOOOO dumb. Have you seen the Let's Play of it on Youtube? Hilarious.

I'm vaguely familiar with it, yes. :D

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Originally Posted by The Wierd It (Post 29687)

I thought the 1126 was an IFV?

From what I can gather, while ICV usually stands for "Infantry Combat Vehicle" and means IFV, in the specific case of the M1126 it means "Infantry Carrier Vehicle" which means APC. It doesn't really have the armour or armament to go IFV'ing.

IFV stands for Infantry Fighting Vehicle. An Infantry Combat Vehicle is the same thing, obviously, just by a different name.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infantry_fighting_vehicle

Yeah, I know that. The thing is, the M1126 is called an ICV but in this specific case it stands for Infantry Carrier Vehicle, not Infantry Combat Vehicle. It's marketing-speak for APC.