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Markit 04-22-2011 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mandolin1 (Post 27931)
I'd love the rebels to win, but any rebel group that can't "liberate" an airfield, tank depot, or armory (esprecialy the armory) in the first day deserves to lose. They don't have to hold the place, just take what you can and wreck the rest.

The rebels did liberate the airfields, tank depots and major armories in Benghazi and Tobruk by early March. The problem is that these airfields, armories and depots had the older, more obsolete equipment (a by-product of Gadhaffi's favoritism of western Libya and the concentration of his best military units around Tripoli), which put them at a disadvantage in terms of firepower from the start.

A few more photos:
Carl Gustav:
http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/5...anrevoltcg.jpg
AK-103s (turns out Venezuela supplied 10,000 of them to Gadhaffi in recent months)
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/4...gimeak1032.jpg
Improvised rocket launcher using a Soviet 57mm rocket pod:
http://img852.imageshack.us/img852/2...rebelmlrs2.jpg
http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/4...ebelsmlrs2.jpg

Also, here is a video of the rebels firing MILAN ATGMs (supposedly supplied by Qatar):
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=91f_1303333102

Markost 04-22-2011 10:53 PM

Awww yeah
http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog...gun-tm-tfb.jpg

funkychinaman 04-23-2011 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ManiacallyChallenged (Post 27963)
That jury rigged pod rocket gun is FREAKING AWESOME.

I have a feeling that's just forced perspective.

But I love that they took the time to decorate the pod.

k9870 04-23-2011 12:56 AM

Hey markost, where u finding these? There pretty good pics.

Swordfish941 04-23-2011 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Markit (Post 27962)
Improvised rocket launcher using a Soviet 57mm rocket pod:
http://img852.imageshack.us/img852/2...rebelmlrs2.jpg

Words cannot describe the awesomeness.

Gunmaster45 04-23-2011 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Markit (Post 27962)
Improvised rocket launcher using a Soviet 57mm rocket pod
http://img852.imageshack.us/img852/2...rebelmlrs2.jpg


It kind of looks like someone is manning a DShK and it's placed behind the rocket pod at such an angle that they look like one super awesome weapon. I could be wrong though. But where the two connect, the field of view is off and how would you modify the firing system for the rockets with the original receiver of a DShK?

Markost 04-23-2011 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by k9870
Hey markost, where u finding these? There pretty good pics.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...tos-and-Videos

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Originally Posted by Gunmaster45 (Post 27977)
But where the two connect, the field of view is off and how would you modify the firing system for the rockets with the original receiver of a DShK?

I dont think they are connected, it would be kinda hard to aim with that thing since they´re using tripods.
And look at the wires under the pod, I´m pretty sure they´re using the truck´s battery for firing them. So if you´re going to use the receiver, its simple: replace the trigger with a simple electric switch and that´s all. And dont forget to protect yourself from the rocket blast.

funkychinaman 04-23-2011 05:46 PM

It looks like they're using a car jack to adjust the elevation.

funkychinaman 04-23-2011 05:48 PM

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/9093/800xk.jpg

Now THAT is a cool shot.

BlackIce_GTS 04-23-2011 11:32 PM

The truck's all covered in soot, I bet it's from firing the rockets.
If anyone was standing behind that thing when it went off, they'd probably get roasted.
edit: Here's an Indian air force demo of 57mm rockets. Not gigantic back blast, but I still wouldn't want to be standing near one of those when it went off.

Milkovich 04-24-2011 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by funkychinaman (Post 28005)

Frankly, it is most obvious that these chaps require more DAKKA.

Markit 06-01-2011 02:41 AM

Bumping an old thread, but I thought this was interesting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuchY...embedded#at=37

Rebels show off a captured FN F2000 with GL1 that previously belonged to the Libyan regime's elite 32nd Battalion.

Spartan198 06-01-2011 02:57 AM

GL1, not EGLM. The latter nomenclature refers to the Mark 13 Mod 0 launcher for the FN SCAR.

mjp28 06-03-2011 08:46 PM

Very cool pics, gives you a better idea of what's going over there other than what you see on CNN!
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Now this old rifle looks like one my dad brought back from Italy during WWII, he said there were piles of them. Like the old Italian Army joke "never fired, only dropped once".

He said coming into NYC harbor they told the whole ship to ditch all weapons and other stuff, he (and other guys) had a duffle bag loaded with all kinds of German and other stuff.....pitched overboard!!:eek:

When they got in to NYC nobody checked anything, but he did have something very much like this, 7.65mm I believe, minus clip, we played with it as kids, bayonet and all.

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/da...thumbnail1.jpg

Gunmaster45 06-04-2011 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mjp28 (Post 29822)
Very cool pics, gives you a better idea of what's going over there other than what you see on CNN!
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Now this old rifle looks like one my dad brought back from Italy during WWII, he said there were piles of them. Like the old Italian Army joke "never fired, only dropped once".
He said coming into NYC harbor they told the whole ship to ditch all weapons and other stuff, he (and other guys) had a duffle bag loaded with all kinds of German and other stuff.....pitched overboard!!:eek:

When they got in to NYC nobody checked anything, but he did have something very much like this, 7.65mm I believe, minus clip, we played with it as kids, bayonet and all.

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/da...thumbnail1.jpg

That reminds me, my dad has a French MAS-36 bring-back rifle on the shelf. I wrote on the tag "Never been fired, only dropped once." When a customer sees it and doesn't get it, I die a little inside.

funkychinaman 06-20-2011 03:34 PM

Found another gallery. A few pictures stick out:

15. Scrubbing and linking all those rounds by hand, only to see them used up in a few seconds.

23. I wouldn't think there'd be English instructions printed on a Russian built rocket pod in Libya, but there it is.

25. Nice. Very nice.

http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2...rebels/100086/

Reach 06-20-2011 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by funkychinaman (Post 30532)

number 11 just doesn't give a f*ck!

Spartan198 06-20-2011 05:58 PM

So Gadaffi's (I don't know if I spelled that right, but no matter) forces use Belgian and Russian weapons against civilians and no one gives two shits, but they use an American weapon and everyone is up in arms about how we're the direct cause of Gadaffi's actions?

I'm getting to the point where I fucking hate the world. :mad:

MT2008 06-27-2011 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Spartan198 (Post 30538)
So Gadaffi's (I don't know if I spelled that right, but no matter) forces use Belgian and Russian weapons against civilians and no one gives two shits, but they use an American weapon and everyone is up in arms about how we're the direct cause of Gadaffi's actions?

I'm getting to the point where I fucking hate the world. :mad:

Who are you referring to?

Playing devil's advocate for a second, most of the commentators who point out stuff like this are remarking on the irony that the U.S. has provided weapons to dictators while claiming to pursue a foreign policy based on the promotion of democracy and freedom (at least, during the more neo-conservative Bush era). Belgium and Russia do not have such foreign policies, so they're not such easy targets for accusations of hypocrisy.

But I do agree that their criticism goes too far if they are blaming the U.S. for Gaddafi's actions.

Spartan198 06-27-2011 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MT2008 (Post 30691)
Who are you referring to?

Comments on online news stories and forums, YouTube, and such are always condemning us for it. I know taking words from random anonymous Internet people (no offense, IMFDB) seriously is probably telling of my less-than-groundbreaking level of intelligence, but those represent a person's opinion just like marching outside a building with a sign in your hand does.

Quote:

Playing devil's advocate for a second, most of the commentators who point out stuff like this are remarking on the irony that the U.S. has provided weapons to dictators while claiming to pursue a foreign policy based on the promotion of democracy and freedom (at least, during the more neo-conservative Bush era). Belgium and Russia do not have such foreign policies, so they're not such easy targets for accusations of hypocrisy.
The US' foreign policy is irrelevant, IMO. One day everything in a random country we decide to provide a FAS package to could be all kosher, then the next day it could go to complete shit. We get heat for giving Saddam Hussein weapons and training Mujaheddin fighters in Afghanistan in the 80s, but how were we supposed to know we'd be fighting them in 20 years? We aren't a nation of psychics who can look into a crystal ball to see who our next enemy will be. As far as Libya goes, weren't they on the UN human rights council just prior to Gaddafi turning his army on civilians?

You do make a valid point about Belgium's and Russia's foreign policies in contrast to the US', though.

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But I do agree that their criticism goes too far if they are blaming the U.S. for Gaddafi's actions.
Yeah, that's a point I always try to get across to critics. Who the person using the weapon got it from is irrelevant, it's the person using it that's at fault. Would I be responsible if I sold a baseball bat to some dude at a yard sale that he used 10 years later to crack some other dude's skull in? No.

FIVETWOSEVEN 06-28-2011 02:45 PM

Hey Markost, your avatar, does that FM stand for that Argentine military factory?

MT2008 06-28-2011 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Spartan198 (Post 30700)
Comments on online news stories and forums, YouTube, and such are always condemning us for it. I know taking words from random anonymous Internet people (no offense, IMFDB) seriously is probably telling of my less-than-groundbreaking level of intelligence, but those represent a person's opinion just like marching outside a building with a sign in your hand does.

If you admit this, then you aren't stupid. Just a little too addicted to being argumentative. I used to be the same way; as a lonely teenager, I used to waste hours on message boards in debates (probably more than BurtReynoldsMoustache).

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Originally Posted by Spartan198 (Post 30700)
how were we supposed to know we'd be fighting them in 20 years? We aren't a nation of psychics who can look into a crystal ball to see who our next enemy will be.

Being psychic has nothing to do with it. Unless you think we needed to be psychic to realize that, in WWII, we were aiding a future enemy (the Soviet Union) against a current enemy (Nazi Germany).

I am familiar enough with realism in American foreign policy to know that considerations of ideology are often irrelevant. We aid state and non-state actors whose ideology is at odds with liberal democracy whenever it suits us.

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Originally Posted by Spartan198 (Post 30700)
As far as Libya goes, weren't they on the UN human rights council just prior to Gaddafi turning his army on civilians?

Yes, but the UN is a joke. Many dictatorships have been allowed to chair committees in the UN that are meant to promote human rights - even though these same governments are some of the world's worst human rights violators.

Markost 06-28-2011 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mjp28 (Post 29822)
Like the old Italian Army joke "never fired, only dropped once".

Lol, that reminds a lot my grandpa, when he was going to be recruited but he ended working in Alfa Romeo´s aircraft engine factory (well, until it was bombed by american planes and he lost his job), thanks to his mother´s cousin (Giovanni Leone), who had a lot of contacts at that time (lol).

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Originally Posted by FIVETWOSEVEN (Post 30719)
Hey Markost, your avatar, does that FM stand for that Argentine military factory?

yep, the same that made the FAL parts sold to DS Arms some years ago.

mjp28 06-28-2011 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Gunmaster45 (Post 29855)
That reminds me, my dad has a French MAS-36 bring-back rifle on the shelf. I wrote on the tag "Never been fired, only dropped once." When a customer sees it and doesn't get it, I die a little inside.

Eh, some people don't get good subtile inside jokes or appreciate good scarcasm I guess.....but some do.;)

Markit 08-24-2011 03:30 AM

Looks like a few lucky rebels picked up some goodies after seizing the Bab al-Azizia compound:

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/4...rrivesin00.jpg

A golden Dragunov (also seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o5wQZLvVLc)

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/2...oiaug23g36.jpg

The Wierd It 08-24-2011 06:52 AM

I think I saw a photo in the newspaper yesterday of a rebel with an Aussie SLR.

EDIT: Scrub this; it was a regular FAL.

Spartan198 08-24-2011 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Markit (Post 31887)
Looks like a few lucky rebels picked up some goodies after seizing the Bab al-Azizia compound:

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/4...rrivesin00.jpg

A golden Dragunov (also seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o5wQZLvVLc)

So how common are golden AKs and Dragunovs in the world, exactly?

Also looks like a Chinese CQ in his other hand.

mjp28 08-25-2011 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Spartan198 (Post 31893)
So how common are golden AKs and Dragunovs in the world, exactly?

Also looks like a Chinese CQ in his other hand.

Must be nice, gold AKs, armfuls of guns and ammo -but- they did earn it in a way fighting against that nutjob and his personal army.

I hope the Libyans can find some peace now along with trying to....

.... "form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity".....

It's not always easy or free.

Markit 08-26-2011 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Spartan198 (Post 31893)
So how common are golden AKs and Dragunovs in the world, exactly?

Also looks like a Chinese CQ in his other hand.

Pretty common in the Middle East I imagine - Saddam had entire caches of them in his palaces, and some of the smaller emirates have been known to give golden guns as gifts. The Mexican drug cartels have also had golden Kalashnikovs and AR-15s.

FPK/PSL:
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/1827/libyanpsl.jpg

G36KE in action:
http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/6...ng36aug252.jpg

AK-103 with a scope (ACOG?) and a suppressed Beretta:
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/8...lak103acog.jpg

AKS-74U:
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/5043/tripoliaug233.jpg

Milkovich 08-26-2011 09:42 AM

I like the fact that the Rebels do not rely on self-made weapons exclusively, but also utilize firearms that have been proven to be durable and reliable. Also, Markit's third image: Yay for trigger discipline! Could those be loyalists at the Rixos?

Markit 08-26-2011 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Milkovich (Post 31938)
I like the fact that the Rebels do not rely on self-made weapons exclusively, but also utilize firearms that have been proven to be durable and reliable. Also, Markit's third image: Yay for trigger discipline! Could those be loyalists at the Rixos?

No, these are images of rebels outside one of Tripoli's luxury hotels (IIRC, the Corinthia) during clashes. At this point, I would not be surprised if some rebels are better armed and better trained than the remaining loyalists.


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