Custom SL8

[Spartan198]

This is the G36 sporter H&K should have given us (but, alas, they didn't because apparently we suck and they hate us...)

http://files.uzitalk.com/reference/shoots/princeton2004/SL8.JPG

http://files.uzitalk.com/reference/pages/mgshootMN2004.htm

[Gunmaster45]

With a side folding stock and 30 round post-86 ban magazine... I couldn't if I wanted to. Good ol' New York. :rolleyes:

[Excalibur]

They could have made the stock non-folding instead and a 10 round mag would solve any New Yorker's problem

[FirearmFan]

They could have made the stock non-folding instead and a 10 round mag would solve any New Yorker's problem


wouldn't that essentially just make it a normal SL8?

[Gunmaster45]

Take the alpha dog of the pack and chop his balls off. He won't be alpha for very long.

Basically, doing all that crap to the gun the same thing. It isn't nearly as cool once it's been NY-neutered.

[Excalibur]

wouldn't that essentially just make it a normal SL8?

Not give it the thumb hole stock like a regular SL8. I meant make the skeleton stock non folding. I seriously dont seen the reason why folding stock are banned

[Alcatrazz]

Folding stock=less overall length=easier to fit in a trenchcoat.

[Excalibur]

That's jist saying anyone with a hack saw can just chop the barrel and the stock of any gun to make it concealable in a trench coat. And seriously who wears a fucking trench coat today? You see a guy walking around in a trench coat and that's just begging for attention

[Gunmaster45]

But once you saw off a gun stock, it's that size for good.

With a folding stock, you can hide a folded full sized weapon in your jacket (not even a trenchcoat if you can hide it correctly) and bring it to full length for easier use once it's pulled out. While I can understand why this would scare libtards, us law abiding citizens wouldn't need to use it for crime. The criminals who buy them regardless from the black market on the other hand...

While I have no plans to commit crimes, I discovered I could hide my Mossberg Cruiser under my jacket if I stuck the muzzle in my pants pocket and crutched the pistol grip under my arm. This would fit also with a folding stock on it as well, so the criminal efficiency is obvious.

I'd just want one so I could fold my shotgun up at home and unfold it for use if someone broke in...

[Vangelis]

That's jist saying anyone with a hack saw can just chop the barrel and the stock of any gun to make it concealable in a trench coat. And seriously who wears a fucking trench coat today? You see a guy walking around in a trench coat and that's just begging for attention

You're trying to use logic on gun control. This is the same movement that once saved America from the incredibly common horror of drive-by rifle grenadings and gangland bayonet charges, and knows that .50 cal rifles can flip over railway cars because bullets don't have to obey the law of conservation of momentum.

[Excalibur]

don't forget the dread barrel shrouds

[MT2008]

That's jist saying anyone with a hack saw can just chop the barrel and the stock of any gun to make it concealable in a trench coat. And seriously who wears a fucking trench coat today? You see a guy walking around in a trench coat and that's just begging for attention

Well, I sometimes wore a long black coat to work when I was employed at a law firm. It was kind of trench coat-ish, but it didn't make me look like a criminal. Just a douchebag. :D

Anyway, folding stocks were one of the features that gun controllers deemed as characteristic of "assault weapons". It's not a totally far-out idea (I know for a fact that I can easily fit my AK under a long coat with the stock removed, and I'm not even that tall a guy), but it doesn't make much sense considering that barrel lengths for rifles are already mandated at 16" or more, which negates any chance of concealing most rifles, folding stock or no.

Not to mention...have any criminals ever even tried to conceal rifles beneath trench coats? Aside from "Heat" (where the robbers used 11.5-inch ARs that wouldn't be legal for civvies to own unless registered as SBRs), I don't think I've ever heard of criminals doing this. Anyone who values a concealable weapon chooses handguns, plain and simple.

[Gunmaster45]

Like I said though, my 18" barrel Cruiser can be fully concealed in my jacket if I stick the barrel in my pocket. But I don't plan on carrying it around like that...

[MT2008]

BTW, I really don't care too much if H&K ever wants to release an SL8 that looks more like a G36 (with all of the "evil" features that used to be illegal under the AWB). The G36 is shit, anyway, by most accounts.

[Vangelis]

BTW, I really don't care too much if H&K ever wants to release an SL8 that looks more like a G36 (with all of the "evil" features that used to be illegal under the AWB). The G36 is shit, anyway, by most accounts.

You just don't have the giant square German man-hands that would allow you to appreciate it.

[MT2008]

You just don't have the giant square German man-hands that would allow you to appreciate it.

Among other things. :D

I suck and H&K hates me. Well, whatever...fuck 'em.

[Gunmaster45]

He's a civilian, so who cares? He sucks, and they hate him. :D Now it's just mutual.

EDIT: When I wrote this, Matt's comment wasn't up yet, so talk about timing!

[Excalibur]

Not to mention...have any criminals ever even tried to conceal rifles beneath trench coats? Aside from "Heat" (where the robbers used 11.5-inch ARs that wouldn't be legal for civvies to own unless registered as SBRs), I don't think I've ever heard of criminals doing this. Anyone who values a concealable weapon chooses handguns, plain and simple.

What about in the mini series The Kill Point. They walked into the back in the opening scene with their guns in trench coats

[Gunmaster45]

Tom Sizemore had the Galil ARM and just let the barrel stick out of his jacket. No one seemed to notce as he left the bank.

And before the Columbine shooting, the two shooters wore trenchcoats. They ditched them after they used the guns being held in them, which is why they aren't wearing them in the survielance camera footage.

[Excalibur]

I guess in a crowded area, people are too busy to notice a barrel sticking out and in reality, most people arent looking for suspecious people walking around. We might notice them, but then look away and get back to what we were doing. A lot of us are so used to the sense of security of peace, it's when the shit hits the fan when most of us freak out

[Gunmaster45]

Well if I ever see a barrel sticking out of someone's coat as they exit a bank wearing sunglasses, I hope to hell I have my carry permit.

[Excalibur]

It's the summer, so I open carry sometimes

[Clutch]

Well if I ever see a barrel sticking out of someone's coat as they exit a bank wearing sunglasses, I hope to hell I have my carry permit.

And an ability to be lightning-quick and accurate, as well, I'd hope. If there was ever a shot I wouldn't want to miss...

Frankly, I'd settle for just tailing the dude long enough for the police to show up and keeping the gun hung up until the shit hit the fan.

[Excalibur]

Yeah good point. Dont' be a hero and let the authorities take care of the problem. Unless you are in great danger, never draw your weapon out in the open, you might be mistaken for a hostile

[MT2008]

Well if I ever see a barrel sticking out of someone's coat as they exit a bank wearing sunglasses, I hope to hell I have my carry permit.

Maybe I sound like a pussy here, but...if I saw a guy who had an AK or AR or whatever beneath a trench coat, I would quite happily stay FAR away and call the police. There is no way in hell I'd ever try to use my carry piece against a BG with a semi-auto rifle. I'd be way, WAY outgunned.

[k9870]

Hell a gy with a 1911 in his face would know he stands no chance no matter what hes packing.

[Gunmaster45]

I'm not saying I'd draw and open fire if I saw a BG with a gun, I'd just be happy knowing I could defend myself somewhat if I needed to.

I hope the Cara gun is built by the time I get a carry permit, that's the gun I'd want to use. 15 rounds of .45 ACP is a pretty good equalizer.

[Yournamehere]

Have you tried to conceal a gun on your person before? It's not easy, and a big ass hi-cap .45 doesn't make it easier. Aside from mexican carry, hiding a gun isn't as easy as you'd think with the ways you bend and sit (My 1911 jams into my groin if I'm mexican carrying, too, so sitting down is out of the question. We're talking a single stack too). There's a reason people carry with crossdraws and IWBs, while wearing leisure suits that can accomodate something like a hunk of metal. I'm no carry master, nor can I carry myself, but I understand the basics, and a full size hi cap is more or less out of the question.

Still, I saw this youtube video where this guy taped himself concealing a Glock under a sweater, and as he bent over to put groceries in the car, the gun kept getting exposed. Luckily, no one noticed, so hiding in plain sight works, sorta. Wouldn't count on it though.

[k9870]

CC isnt hard, especially in maine, you wear a coat or jacket almost the full year, just summer is when you need to get creative. My GFs dad is smaller than me and has CCed 1911s and his Delta elite around no problem. Full sized, not commanders, either. Good leather makes a difference too.

[AdAstra2009]

Well if I ever see a barrel sticking out of someone's coat as they exit a bank wearing sunglasses, I hope to hell I have my carry permit.

I wouldn't be worried, if some Heat esque posse just knocked over a bank they'd probably be too preoccupied with getting the hell out of there before the police showed rather than bother with me if I'm just some passerby.

[Excalibur]

Well I plan to get the XD-M later on. 19+1 rounds of 9mm.

[k9870]

9 rounds of 45 is enough for me. I like the single stack 1911s, a doub le stack just woldn't fit in the hand the same way. Not an XD fan, but thats cause i dont like striker fired guns, triggers feel weird. The XD is miles above the BLOCK series though.

[Yournamehere]

I live in a state where winter clothing is suicide, because of how freaking hot it is here. I guess it might be different in Florida than in states where weather actually changes. If it's cold and you can wear a jacket, it's a lot easier, but in a t-shirt and shorts, you run into some problems.

[Gunmaster45]

Have you tried to conceal a gun on your person before? It's not easy, and a big ass hi-cap .45 doesn't make it easier. Aside from mexican carry, hiding a gun isn't as easy as you'd think with the ways you bend and sit (My 1911 jams into my groin if I'm mexican carrying, too, so sitting down is out of the question. We're talking a single stack too). There's a reason people carry with crossdraws and IWBs, while wearing leisure suits that can accomodate something like a hunk of metal. I'm no carry master, nor can I carry myself, but I understand the basics, and a full size hi cap is more or less out of the question.

Still, I saw this youtube video where this guy taped himself concealing a Glock under a sweater, and as he bent over to put groceries in the car, the gun kept getting exposed. Luckily, no one noticed, so hiding in plain sight works, sorta. Wouldn't count on it though.

I usually wear a light jacket in summer and a heavy one in winter, and both hide the holster I wear on my hip. So it works decent for me. You can see a little bit of the holster sticking out of the light jacker, but not enough for anyone to care. Also, I've though about getting a small-of-the-back holster that cants the gun horizontally, like the holster the Punisher used. It hid his .45 pretty well.

[Excalibur]

In the summer and spring time, after I saw Man on Fire, I wore a t-shirt and a button shirt over it and my weapon in a holster to my side. The shirt blocks it most of the time

[Gunmaster45]

Well I plan to get the XD-M later on. 19+1 rounds of 9mm.

If I owned one here in New York, I'd get the neutered 10 round magazine. Unless I bought it from someone who already owned a 19-rounder.

[Excalibur]

Then carry extra magazines and do combat load. Or in that case, just go with a .45 since the reason I want a 9mm is for the magazine capacity

[Gunmaster45]

I actually practice tactical pistol reloads and if the mag well is big enough and I have something like a good magazine holder, I do pretty well.

No joke I had a one second reload once. I was in awe and forgot to shoot for a minute. :o. Everything just flowed perfectly smooth. I've done good reload before, but I think that one took the gold. I was shooting a customers USP-45 and he gave a spare magazine. I've also done good reloads with Glocks, but the 1st gens have magazines that fall out slow because they expand from being loaded, so only the newer gen guns do reloads right.

A single stack 1911 without a bevelled magazine well though, is damn near impossible to reload fast, you're trying to put the magazine into too small a hole too fast (no "that's what she said jokes", please :rolleyes:). I take around 1-2 extra seconds trying to stick the magazine in and get the catch to grab hold.

[k9870]

If you need more than a mag i think running is a better choice to stay alive. Don't get me wrong, carry extra mags, just know your limitations.

[Gunmaster45]

Of course, you wouldn't just stand out in the open and dump every round you had on you, likely you'd take cover and run.

[CipTub]

My buddy has a JG S-System, its alright..
And I thought you meant the 1000 Airsoft GI custom guns, those are just a downright waste of money.

[AdAstra2009]

My buddy has a JG S-System, its alright..
And I thought you meant the 1000 Airsoft GI custom guns, those are just a downright waste of money.

Where did airsoft get into this??

[Rockwolf66]

Where did airsoft get into this??
Wait for the spamming to start as I feel a few canned messages hooked into key words comming on.

[AdAstra2009]

Yeah, I think that airsoft post is a spammer.

[Rockwolf66]

Well Ad if you want to see a really messed up version of the SL8 then check out the Army of Two page. Ever wondered what an SL8 fitted with an underbarreled shotgun looks like?

[FirearmFan]

Have you tried to conceal a gun on your person before? It's not easy

I beg to differ. I carry daily and have no problem concealing my pistol under just a t shirt. The shirt can't be really tight but it doesn't have to be 3 sizes too big either. I typically carry an XD40 subcompact which helps since it's a smaller framed gun but when I first started carrying I carried an HK P2000 with no problem and have carried a 1911 with ease as well. People don't notice anyways but it really isn't hard to fully conceal a gun. (IWB strong side hip at least) I've never tried to conceal any other way.

[Gunmaster45]

Once I get rid of my gut I might be able to use an IWB. I'm slowly getting there...

Vincent in Collateral was able to conceal a full-sized USP-45 pretty well thanks to his IWB, and he was wearing tailored clothing. :eek:

[AdAstra2009]

Well Ad if you want to see a really messed up version of the SL8 then check out the Army of Two page. Ever wondered what an SL8 fitted with an underbarreled shotgun looks like?

Yeah, I saw that.
Pretty awkward, how are you supposed to grip a shotgun like that, the magazine is too far away from the shotgun to use it as a grip a la the M203.

[Gunmaster45]

That means you don't have a grip. You just grab the trigger guard and pull the trigger. Pretty useless combo.

I was so looking forward to that game when I first heard it was coming out, but they dropped all the cool gaming concepts they boasted about before the final release and none of the gun mods are any good. Plus, the rate of fire on the guns is way too slow, so none of the guns are fun to shoot. Even the Minigun is too slow.